tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post8706568817385109986..comments2024-03-21T20:19:27.398+11:00Comments on Hareega: The Scary ArabsHareegahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03506185925815988104noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-86936128306959990662009-04-09T23:49:00.000+11:002009-04-09T23:49:00.000+11:00My question is "Whats wrong with being an Arab?" A...My question is "Whats wrong with being an Arab?" America needs to educate itself!San Antonio Cicilyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00643255307592038405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-45812610449630561932008-10-31T17:32:00.000+11:002008-10-31T17:32:00.000+11:00Does it make any sense to ask countries to wage me...Does it make any sense to ask countries to wage meaningful, measured wars? <-------- Tell that to your politicians because that is exactly what the US is asking other countries to do. Buy weapons from it but as long as they don't try to develop nukes. This is the hypocrisy of it all.<BR/><BR/>You people use this to your advantage, but want to pretend like you are "different" people <-------- Some Arab countries may have friendly relationships, others do not. Either way, this doesn't mean that every single Arab country is responsible for the actions of every single Arab anywhere in the world as you seem to think. Anymore than the UK is responsible for Timothy Mcveigh's OKC bombing because he speaks English, is a christian and the UK and US are NATO allies. It is your reasoning that is flawed here.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Is there really a big difference between an Arab Muslim in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt? The boundaries that separate you are artificial. <----- Yes there is both visible, and cultural differences. You don't seem to know either which is why you ask this question. Regarding the boundaries they were created by the colonial powers years back. In the same way that the British when they left India insisted the Muslims would get Pakistan which ensured India would remain weak forever at odds. They created the middle eastern borders for the same reason, and it worked very well. That was so long ago that each country has since then become a nation in the same sense that natural selection can create new species merely through geographic isolation.<BR/><BR/>Atleast you dont belv in GOD...And I like that about you. <------- I don't believe in aliens, but this includes all Gods. Yet you seem to be on about only Muslims. Regardless while I dont' respect the religion itself, I do respect people's right to believe or practice it without undue discrimination. The kind you are applying consistently.<BR/><BR/>So if your excuse for attacking Iraq as payback for 911 reminds me of the old joke about the man who lost his keys in the dark alley, and decided it's too dark to look for them there, so he went to look for them in the well lit street nearby instead!Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-33613361057187036982008-10-31T11:58:00.000+11:002008-10-31T11:58:00.000+11:00One good thing.Atleast you dont belv in GOD.And I ...One good thing.<BR/><BR/>Atleast you dont belv in GOD.<BR/><BR/>And I like that about you.<BR/><BR/>I hate organized religion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-70021136314886275652008-10-31T11:54:00.000+11:002008-10-31T11:54:00.000+11:00> Japan attacked a military base, they didn'...> Japan attacked a military base, they didn't completely oblitirate 2 entire cities complete with civilians.<BR/><BR/>3000 of my people were buried in a watery grave.<BR/><BR/>Why should our response be measured? Does it make any sense to ask countries to wage meaningful, measured wars? Japan is fully responsible for their provocation.<BR/><BR/>What are we in 6th grade? You poked my left hand, so I can only poke you back, and that too on your hands? It does not work that way.<BR/><BR/>> Iraq used to give Jordan oil for free before the war! <BR/><BR/>Exactly the reasoning for my stereotyping.<BR/><BR/>There is a Sunni Islamic brotherhood across the globe. You people use this to your advantage, but want to pretend like you are "different" people when the big eagle comes down on you with its claws.<BR/><BR/>Is there really a big difference between an Arab Muslim in Jordan and Saudi Arabia and Egypt? The boundaries that separate you are artificial.<BR/><BR/>That is why, when Pakistan exiles its ex-Prime Minister, he is hosted in Saudi Arabia for years.<BR/><BR/>Dont assume for a minute, that the west is ignorant of the "Sunni Islamic Global brotherhood" from Saudi Arabia to Indonesia.<BR/><BR/>The Muslims in Malaysia suppress the Chinese people in that country. Same shit, different country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-78031302499912639542008-10-31T08:27:00.000+11:002008-10-31T08:27:00.000+11:00typo:All 3 Abrahamic religions are historically op...typo:<BR/>All 3 Abrahamic religions are historically oppressive ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>P.S. Hareega, thanks for hosting my second blog :PHani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-88468023493727669742008-10-31T08:06:00.000+11:002008-10-31T08:06:00.000+11:00Gandhi's policies dont work. <-----------...Gandhi's policies dont work. <----------- I beg to differ. A policy of Self reliance (decreasing the need for imports) and none-violence (makes everyone else like you) works well for any nation. It would be easy for the US to bring it's troops home to defend their country from within, and to stop selling weapons and promoting more war for profit (won't be needed since all that money used on military ops will be saved).<BR/><BR/>For a 1000 years, Islamic oppressors have murdered the peaceful Hindu and Buddhist people of that region...In someways, I think it is payback. <----------- It's is funny that you seem to think America is giving justice to the Indians considering Gandhi is renowned for winning India's freedom from the British using peaceful measures of civil disobedience. The British, the same people as your own founding fathers.<BR/><BR/>When it comes to oppression you should also think of what your soldiers have done in Iraq, and Vietnam. Not to mention the African slaves kidnapped from their homes, chained, whipped and forced into slavery, and not to forget the native Indians decimated and made to fight for different European powers when your original colonies were founded. <BR/><BR/>Finally all 3 Abrahamic religions are historically whenever they were in political power. The church initiated the crusades not even hesitating to send children to fight for them, the Islamic Caliphates got as far as Spain in their conquests, the Jews in Israel are still busy oppressing Palestinians as we speak.<BR/><BR/>A tiny percentage of people who pray in mosques may be terrorists, but the same tiny percentage of people who pray in churches and synagogues are also terrorists. Just lookup the record of radical Christians bombing abortion clinics and murdering the doctors that work in them, or orthodox Jewish Israeli soldiers opening fire on unarmed Palestinians, and getting away with a slap on the arm. <BR/><BR/>If you're unhappy with religion, look at all of them, not just the ones different than your own. <BR/><BR/>The point is all 3 religions can cause people to behave irrationally because it instills in them a belief in an afterlife which doesn't exist. Making them think that afterlife is more important than their real lives to the point that they're willing to die for it.<BR/><BR/>I'm atheist myself, but unlike you, I will give each person the benefit of the doubt rather than blanket-hate an entire religion, linguistic, or geographic group based on what you admit is an irrational fear!Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-88939869147188538452008-10-31T05:04:00.000+11:002008-10-31T05:04:00.000+11:00Gandhi's policies dont work. They work well for an...Gandhi's policies dont work. They work well for an individual, but they cannot be applied to a nation state.<BR/><BR/>For a 1000 years, Islamic oppressors have murdered the peaceful Hindu and Buddhist people of that region.<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_of_Ghor<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmud_of_Ghazni<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahamani<BR/><BR/>In someways, I think it is payback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-68015890507565657712008-10-30T20:04:00.000+11:002008-10-30T20:04:00.000+11:00Do you even realize that these people are targeted...Do you even realize that these people are targeted for a reason? <--------- In afghanistan, yes. However 911 was given as an excuse for invading Iraq when the 2 were completely unrelated. In fact a CBS poll shortly after the Iraq invasion showed two thirds of americans thought Saddam was involved in 911. This was based on the misleading press releases from the Bush administration!<BR/><BR/>To compare them to Daniel Pearl is meaningless? It is ironic that you talk about pointing fingers when the very basis of your argument is bigoted. <-------- Comparing Pearl to the hundreds of thousands of innocents killed in Iraq is valid since both were innocent victims!<BR/><BR/>It would be easier for us to bomb entire buildings instead of sending our troops out. <----- the point was that the very basis of the invasion was invalid. No relation to 911, no WMD. Americans were lied to, period. This makes both sending out troops or bombers murder.<BR/><BR/>Have you for a moment imagined a world where the American tax payers dont pay for the billions of dollars in AID we give to Egypt and Jordan? <--------- All the Aid the US gives Jordan wouldn't match the catastrophic inflation caused by the rise in oil prices caused by the invasion of Iraq. Iraq used to give Jordan oil for free before the war! It's the least you could do considering you not only ruined the entire region's economy. <BR/><BR/>Life under the iron grips of the communist regime in the former USSR would've been much worse. <--------- Agreed, and WW2 is the last righteous war America fought. since then your armed forces have been a force of devastation and as polls showed the biggest threat to world peace.<BR/><BR/>If you have read anything about life in East Germany during the Russian occupation of that country, you will realize that the alternative is much much worse. <------- ok, so you're saying your foreign policy is better than Stalin's would have been so we should all just thank our lucky stars. you should look to better standards of comparison than Stalin. Try Ghandi!<BR/><BR/><BR/>We have to agree to disagree. <--------- doneHani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-25486959124996517602008-10-30T19:45:00.000+11:002008-10-30T19:45:00.000+11:00> Somehow it seems you think if the murderers w...> Somehow it seems you think if the murderers wear a uniform or do it from a bomber up in the sky, that makes it ok, well I don't.<BR/><BR/>Do you even realize that these people are targeted for a reason? <BR/><BR/>To compare them to Daniel Pearl is meaningless? It is ironic that you talk about pointing fingers when the very basis of your argument is bigoted.<BR/><BR/>It would be easier for us to bomb entire buildings instead of sending our troops out.<BR/><BR/>Have you for a moment imagined a world where the American tax payers dont pay for the billions of dollars in AID we give to Egypt and Jordan?<BR/><BR/>Life under the iron grips of the communist regime in the former USSR would've been much worse.<BR/><BR/>If you have read anything about life in East Germany during the Russian occupation of that country, you will realize that the alternative is much much worse.<BR/><BR/>The Iran Contra affair also had its reasons. They wanted to free the 7 Americans.<BR/><BR/>We have to agree to disagree.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-91526726132722243682008-10-30T17:04:00.000+11:002008-10-30T17:04:00.000+11:00"What they did to Daniel Pearl is something I..."What they did to Daniel Pearl is something I will never forget." <-------- Who is they ? It is certainly not Arabs even if that crime was committed by an Arab. Like you said, it's irrational. He was a journalist who wilingly thrust himself into a warzone, and FYI the murder of Pearl pales in comparison to all the civilians murdered in Iraq since the US armed forces landed there. Somehow it seems you think if the murderers wear a uniform or do it from a bomber up in the sky, that makes it ok, well I don't.<BR/><BR/>Your people and your religion have blood on their hands as well. <---------- Every people have blood ont heir hands, just at this very moment the US armed forces have more blood on their hands than anyone else. Particularily the ones in Iraq.<BR/><BR/>This is nonsense. Many Europeans feel the same way about Arabs and Islam. <------- The point was you are the exception. You don't just hate arabs, you want them all deported, and you admitt your fear isn't rational, so I'll leave it at that.<BR/><BR/>Have you read about Mike Hawash <------- Again you are judghing a race based on an individual.<BR/><BR/>You are also ignoring the fact that Japan attached America first. <------- Japan attacked a military base, they didn't completely oblitirate 2 entire cities complete with civilians. Even in a war that is considered a crime, in this case it was ignored because of the context you mentioned. Really what makes it all the worse is that it was unecessary to win the war. No one disputes this.<BR/><BR/>The US did not sell weapons to both Iran and Iraq. They supported Iraq overtly and passed on intelligence to Iran. <--------- Please lookup Iran Contra, then try again.<BR/><BR/>it is only with the invitation of the Royal Family that we are in that country.<------- It's not with the invitation of the Iraq people that you invaded. In fact most Iraqis (aside from the handful "in power") agree that Iraq under Saddam was much more peaceful than the new "democratic" Iraq your soldiers have created. This can beillustrated by the death toll alone which now exceeds all the death that occured during Saddam's entire rule. Not least of all because Al-Qaida never showed up in Iraq until you guys landed there. Not that I like Saddam, the point is you made things worse by invading.<BR/><BR/>We will stop selling weapons when you will stop using your oil money to build large Mosques in our countries. <-------- A madrassa is a school for children. A mosque is a place of worship. No matter how perverted an image the media sources you read give you of them. You're comparing this to a weapon designed to murder people ? Again irrational.<BR/><BR/>It is a battle of ideologies, and the stronger voice *will* win. <----------- Not really, I as an Arab don't consider myself at war with American culture, and if you are unhappy about mosques being built in america, organize politically, and fight it, I'd doubt you'd have many supporters in the US or Europe as you claim. Selling weapons in other countries has nothing to do with this. Again irrational!<BR/><BR/>We might have invented the H-Bomb, but we also invented computers and the internet. We also invented the Hubble Telescope. <---------- Again I'm not at war with American culture. I don't hate Americans. In fact I love their culture (NRA aside). I hate the fact that your soldiers invaded Iraq. I hate the fact that your government sells weapons to make profit out of murder. Enough said.<BR/><BR/>What do rich people in your country do in they get old? They marry little girls. <-------- you are really one sided in your hate and bigotry, aren't you ? Do you want me to lookup the internet and find hundreds of cases of US pedophiles ? or the thousands of priests accused of abusing little boys ?<BR/><BR/>What did you invent? <-------- what we did or did not invent is irrelevant to justifying murdering other human beings. The fact that you group Arabs together based on the language they speak only to blame them for individual acts is the problem here. Again look in the mirror before you point fingers Mr.Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-80909905125109297442008-10-30T16:27:00.000+11:002008-10-30T16:27:00.000+11:00We might have invented the H-Bomb, but we also inv...We might have invented the H-Bomb, but we also invented computers and the internet. We also invented the Hubble Telescope.<BR/><BR/>The richest men in our country want to cure AIDS in Africa. <BR/><BR/>What do rich people in your country do in they get old? They marry little girls:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Maktoum_bin_Juma_Al_Maktoum<BR/><BR/>What did you invent? Besides a religion that wants to take us back to the 6th century?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-10562601327765280722008-10-30T16:14:00.000+11:002008-10-30T16:14:00.000+11:00Hani Obaid,Sarcasm aside, I dont fundamentally dis...Hani Obaid,<BR/><BR/>Sarcasm aside, I dont fundamentally disagree with you on the many injustices that our nation has perpetrated. <BR/><BR/>I dont care what the rest of America thinks of Arabs, my "opinion" is irrational and stemmed in fear. It is instinctual. What they did to Daniel Pearl is something I will never forget. He was not suspect. He was a journalist. Atleast the people in Abu Gharib were suspects that were locked up for "something".<BR/><BR/>You talk about history? Did you know that Afghanistan use to be a center of peaceful Buddhist spirituality until Islam was spread with force? Your people and your religion have blood on their hands as well. Islam was spread all through South East Asia with forceful conversations.<BR/><BR/>> Also luckily for the rest of us it's only YOUR country in that you were born there.<BR/><BR/>This is nonsense. Many Europeans feel the same way about Arabs and Islam. The Chinese dislike Islam and the Arabs as well. They just dont say it. They have no reason to.<BR/><BR/>> As to who you interact with, this is your choice. I would suggest judging people as individuals instead of based on your narrow view of what makes an Arab.<BR/><BR/>I tried that. But do you know what I discovered? Just as every bearded Arab is not a terrorist, every clean shaven "westernized" Arab in America is not a moderate either. Have you read about Mike Hawash:<BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Hawash<BR/><BR/>He lived in our own country, married an American woman, and he had the nerve to go to Afghanistan to kill Americans?<BR/><BR/>Regarding your allegations 1 - 6, you completely ignore the backdrop of the cold war. You are also ignoring the fact that Japan attached America first.<BR/><BR/>The US did not sell weapons to both Iran and Iraq. They supported Iraq overtly and passed on intelligence to Iran. That was a disgusting thing to do, and I cannot tell you how ashamed and sorry I am for the actions of my country.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, we might have our troops in Saudi Arabia, but it is only with the invitation of the Royal Family that we are in that country.<BR/><BR/>We will stop selling weapons when you will stop using your oil money to build large Mosques in our countries.<BR/><BR/>It is a battle of ideologies, and the stronger voice *will* win.<BR/><BR/>-RobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-71023225703832162932008-10-30T08:34:00.000+11:002008-10-30T08:34:00.000+11:00Anonymous said:"also love peace, and I dont want t...Anonymous said:"also love peace, and I dont want to bomb them or kill them. I just dont want to interact with them."<BR/><BR/>anonymous, how magnanimous of you ? you don't want to bomb us ? We're so grateful for your peace loving attitude.<BR/><BR/>your racism aside, the point was Obama isn't an Arab. Get your facts straight.<BR/><BR/>Also luckily for the rest of us it's only YOUR country in that you were born there, and the rest of America doesn't agree with you. Perhaps you should consider that the native Indians didn't want your ancestors in THEIR country either.<BR/><BR/>As to who you interact with, this is your choice. I would suggest judging people as individuals instead of based on your narrow view of what makes an Arab.<BR/><BR/>Finally try to look in the mirror once in a while, and see what your country is doing in Guantanamo, Abu ghreib, and the hundreds of thousands of civilians they killed in Iraq all of whom had nothing to do with 911.<BR/><BR/>Finally consider that you are blaming an entire group of people merely for speaking the same language as 19 criminals who are mostly Saudis (a US ally).<BR/><BR/>This is equivalent to me blaming citizens of the UK for the acts committed by David Koresh simply because they speak the same language and share the same religion.<BR/><BR/>I should also mention that your own countrymen at one point were so dissatisfied with their gov. they performed something very similar to 911. It's called the Oklahoma City Bombing. Please look it up. You'll find the perpetrators (Mcveigh and Nichols) were from New York and Michigan respectably. I don't see you discriminating against people from these fine states now ?<BR/><BR/>Finally need I remind you that the organization reportedly behind those 19 men claims the act was committed because they want US troops out of the middle east, and back on US soil where they belong. Need i also remind you that the US government used to fund and arm that group back when it suited its interests to do so.<BR/><BR/>Finally before you speak about who loves peace, answer the following questions:<BR/><BR/>1. Which country invented the H-Bomb ?<BR/>2. Which is the only country in the world ever to use nuclear weapons in mass murder ?<BR/>3. Which country is among the 2 largest researchers, sellers, stockpilers, and manufacturers of arms (conventional, biological, chemical and nuclear) in the world.<BR/>4. Which country has a record of supporting dictators like the Shah of Iran when those dictators are willing to do what it tells them, and simultaneously claiming to be a beacon of democracy ?<BR/>5. Which country has in the past simultaneously sold weapons to both Iran and Iraq while they were at war ?<BR/>6. Which country sold chemical weapons to Saddam Hussein, and then went to war claiming to be looking for the very weapons it sold him ?<BR/><BR/>Now tell me who's interested in peace ?<BR/><BR/>As I see it if you sell someone a weapons, you're responsible for what they do with it.<BR/><BR/>So stop selling weapons, send your troops home, then start talking about peace like you really mean it. Otherwise don't throw stones when your houses are made of glass.<BR/><BR/>Now pickup a history book for crying out loud!Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-62661850236814393952008-10-30T06:15:00.000+11:002008-10-30T06:15:00.000+11:00Its not just McCain.Our cultures are the war, and ...Its not just McCain.<BR/><BR/>Our cultures are the war, and the very word Arab makes every hair on my back stand up.<BR/><BR/>I am sure there are many rational, peace loving Arabs, but I dont want to have anything to do with them, and I dont want them in my country.<BR/><BR/>I also love peace, and I dont want to bomb them or kill them. I just dont want to interact with them.<BR/><BR/>9/11 has scared me, and the picture of a bearded Arab male speaking with a heavy accent just puts me over the edge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-32663279518807470102008-10-23T07:43:00.000+11:002008-10-23T07:43:00.000+11:00Why do you expect so much? Appreciation? Acknowled...Why do you expect so much? Appreciation? Acknowledgement? Come on? I've been living here for almost 4 years now, and I had my share of name calling and pigotry, but you know what? I would never complain about it, or try to change it even. Let them be themselves, their true selves for once. He actually thinks that arabs can not be decent? 7orr ho. I as well have my own thoughts about everyone else. And at the end I do not blame the old lady not even an ounce, if she watches Fox, being untrust worthy or undecent is the of what she could've said about Arabs. I'm so glad I read Edward Saed books long time ago.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-16158191988155073572008-10-22T20:55:00.000+11:002008-10-22T20:55:00.000+11:00Hani, oh, no way offense taken!!! Really, I am ser...Hani, oh, no way offense taken!!! Really, I am serious, if you see someone who is a Christian who ISN'T living like Jesus, please call them on it. "Loving the brethren" is a good start, but Jesus said "Love your enemies". That has to include everyone inbetween, and to stop acting like some christian country club excluding folks from love. Arg. I better not start there. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-72268337906388968612008-10-22T06:32:00.000+11:002008-10-22T06:32:00.000+11:00Kinzi, Unfortunate choice of words, sorry that was...Kinzi, <BR/><BR/>Unfortunate choice of words, sorry that was thoughtless of me :(<BR/><BR/>so many are compassionate to people like them ("the in group"). Only special people are compassionate to everyone. There's a big contradiction in the bible for me between Jesus and everyone else! Show me a Christian who takes Jesus as not only their savior but their role model, and I'll vote for them anytime :)Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-91880404779643387722008-10-22T06:19:00.000+11:002008-10-22T06:19:00.000+11:00Hani, thanks for not pegging me a die-hard! And a ...Hani, thanks for not pegging me a die-hard! And a compassionate christian...in churches I go to, I am the norm. Next time you run into one of my brothers who isn't tell, admonish them from me :)<BR/><BR/>Also, now that I have started reading 'right-wing' blogs to balance HuffPo & Kos , I really have not found any that consider him dangerous as a 'one man terror cell', and actually, the "Obama is a Muslim" diatribe was something Hilary started and the blogs I am reading (NRO, Powerline, Newsbusters, Gateway Pundit) don't even mention it. <BR/><BR/>You should listen to Ayers talk about his past, he is not sorry and justice was NOT served. Obama has deliberately downplayed the closeness of the relationship and worse, to the ideology, to the point of untruthfulness imo. <BR/><BR/>I'm getting a migraine, need to stop. Thanks for reading the FOCA bit, sorry I couldn't come up with a pretty document graphic :). I am sure Lieberman's involvement was the reason he was passed over for VP. <BR/><BR/>As you said, even for a pro-choice person, it is horrible. I was pro-choice until my mom started working for Planned Parenthood, and I saw how they misused their 'non-profit' status to create an abortion profit making machine that fueled the kind of lobby that could pass this kind of legislation. Talk about racism, they abort more black babies than any other race.<BR/><BR/>Thank YOU for listening. Too many people turn off before understanding the implicationsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-39423513405074004492008-10-22T03:31:00.000+11:002008-10-22T03:31:00.000+11:00Kinzi first, I appreciate your taking the time.I n...Kinzi first, I appreciate your taking the time.<BR/><BR/>I noticed both Hillary and Lieberman are among the sponsors for the law. So it's a good thing Mccain didn't get his first choice of VP, otherwise he'd have a hard time explaining this one.<BR/><BR/>It seems like the most important points that make this a horrible act even to someone pro-abortion like me:<BR/>1. It would force all hospitals, clinics and their employees to perform abortions even if they don't want to<BR/>2. no notification laws<BR/>3. It would mandate spending taxpayer money on abortions<BR/><BR/>From the letter of the law, it seems to me the 1st and 2nd are implied, but as I read from other sources, the 3rd item is only there based on the assumption that someone can use FOCA to cancel an amendment (Hyde amendment) that specifically bans the use of federal funding for abortions. So FOCA would remove the restrictions on using federal money for abortions as opposed to specifically requiring using it and providing free abortions.<BR/><BR/>Still the 1st two items alone are bad enough, and it would take little effort to make them sensible.Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-10200556437989408312008-10-21T18:03:00.000+11:002008-10-21T18:03:00.000+11:00Hani, here is what I came up with:"It's important ...Hani, here is what I came up with:<BR/><BR/>"It's important to note at the outset that this congressional statute is often presented as codifying Roe v. Wade. Hence, if Roe was ever overturned, FOCA would prevent things from changing. While this is true, FOCA goes far beyond this.<BR/><BR/>The 2007 version of FOCA (for the House bill, see H.R. 1964; for the Senate bill, see S. 1173) includes the following provision:<BR/><BR/> A government may not<BR/><BR/>(1) deny or interfere with a woman's right to choose: <BR/><BR/>(A) to bear a child;<BR/>(B) to terminate a pregnancy prior to viability; or<BR/>(C) to terminate a pregnancy after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman; or<BR/><BR/> (2) discriminate against the exercise of the rights set forth in paragraph (1) in the regulation or provision of benefits, facilities, services, or information.<BR/><BR/>Section 6 adds:<BR/><BR/>This Act applies to every Federal, State, and local statute, ordinance, regulation, administrative order, decision, policy, practice, or other action enacted, adopted, or implemented before, on, or after the date of enactment of this Act.<BR/><BR/>The section highlighted above in bold italics means that FOCA, if passed, will accomplish two things:<BR/><BR/>It would invalidate all current and future statutes, ordinances, regulations, administrative orders, decisions, policies, or practices--at any level of government--that regulate or restrict abortion in any way;<BR/>it would mandate taxpayer funds to be used at the state and federal level for abortion services (not to do so would discriminate against the "rights" of abortion set forth in the bill).<BR/><BR/>The National Organization of Women says that FOCA "would sweep away hundreds of anti-abortion laws, policies." Planned Parenthood says FOCA "would invalidate existing and future laws that interfere with or discriminate against the exercise of the rights protected."<BR/><BR/>What are some of these state laws? <BR/><BR/>All 50 states have abortion reporting requirements.<BR/><BR/>46 states have conscience-protection laws for individual health-care providers.<BR/><BR/>44 states have laws about parental notification.<BR/><BR/>40 states have laws restricting late-term abortions.<BR/><BR/>38 states have bans on partial-birth abortions.<BR/><BR/>33 states have laws requiring counseling before an abortion<BR/><BR/>16 states have laws about having ultrasounds before an abortion<BR/><BR/>Some people reading the Freedom of Choice Act notice that is says a woman has a "right to choose" "to terminate a pregnancy after viability where termination is necessary to protect the life or health of the woman".<BR/><BR/>A surface-reading of FOCA (which is seeking to codify Roe v. Wade) might suggest that there is a meaningful, legitimate restriction on late-term, post-viable abortions, namely that abortions are allowed only in cases where a woman would die or be physically harmed. But this simply isn't true.<BR/><BR/>Roe v. Wade was handed down on the same day as Doe v. Bolton, and Justice Blackmun said they were to be read together. Doe defines maternal health to include virtually any factor: "emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age." The effect is abortion on demand--abortion for any reason.<BR/><BR/>So to summarize this act ”which again, Barack Obama has promised to sign as his first order of business in the White House”abortion on demand will become codified, all regulations and restrictions will be stripped away, hospitals and physicians will not have a choice regarding the performance of abortion (since their accrediting agencies are approved by the federal government), teenagers will not have to tell their parents about an abortion, and taxpayers will be forced to pay for abortions at any stage of the pregnancy for any reason."<BR/><BR/>You can see my concern. I'm not being shrill about a 13 year old victim of rape, but that the gov can force a doctor to cut open the neck of a partially born living baby, killing it only inches from daylight and make me pay for it. That is what Sen. Obama said he would sign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-24011674735413714872008-10-21T17:52:00.000+11:002008-10-21T17:52:00.000+11:00Hani, here is the text of the Freedom of Choice Ac...Hani, here is the text of the Freedom of Choice Act, which senator Obama promised Planned Parenthood last year he would sign when in office. <BR/><BR/>http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:S.1173:<BR/><BR/>since I only know how to cut and paste one thing at a time, more to follow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-91456950078071370422008-10-21T06:06:00.000+11:002008-10-21T06:06:00.000+11:00Hani, great details, thanks for hanging in there t...Hani, great details, thanks for hanging in there til the end of a thread!<BR/><BR/>Regarding the last questions, I'll find it for you tomorrow. It is quotes from Sen. Obama's speeches.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-80202175428039171242008-10-21T03:41:00.000+11:002008-10-21T03:41:00.000+11:00Kinzi,Yes MSM has advertisers, owners, and agendas...Kinzi,<BR/>Yes MSM has advertisers, owners, and agendas, but at least they have someone to answer to and a reputation to protect. We bloggers only have each other :)<BR/><BR/>If I could, I would vote for clinton (Bill not Hillary) over Obama as well.<BR/><BR/>I had you pegged as a die hard republican, I shouldn't do that!<BR/><BR/><BR/>Kinzi said:"Saying Sen. Obama IS a terrorist may qualify as slander, but she didn't say that"<BR/><BR/>That's what their supporters are saying not only that he's a terrorist, but an arab, and a muslim, and a 1 man terror cell! it seems this is being encouraged. Watch the video hareega linked above. You might ask Why should Mccain and Palin be responsible for what their supporters do ? Well, for the same reason someone would hold obama liable for something Ayers did nearly 50 years ago which is in no way his fault. This is the underlying implication of the whole "who is Barak Obama" and "obama isn't one of us" theme of M/P ads. Even if the worst of the obama/ayers link is true, it still seems benign compared to Mccain taking money from keating (who he was really palling aound with), then defending his illegal loan scam. To his credit he admitted it was the worst mistake of his life. I wonder what obama's worst mistake would be!<BR/><BR/>Kinzi said:"Palin's email account, remember, was CLEAN, and hacking like that is a crime."<BR/><BR/>I'm not disputing that its a crime, just that it's strange for a public official to use yahoo mail for official work, and stranger (to me) that once she recovered her account she erased everything. Don't know much about Biden but he's been around so long, and if he did something wrong, I'd imagine they would have dug it up by now.<BR/><BR/>Kinzi said:"I am SO glad we don't have Britain's slander laws."<BR/>I think both are extremes at. The American approach to freedom of speech and expression means neo-nazis, KKK, and organizations like NAMBLA can roam free. To defend the British side, you can damage a reputation just as much by implication as direct slander, and this is where it would be upto a judge to determine the difference.<BR/><BR/>Kinzi said:"Do you think I represent my faith ok? Do I scare you too? :)"<BR/>I think politics is one of the rare instances where discrimination by religion is ethical. After all it's a whole belief and behavior system. That said very few politicians would succeed in the US if they admitt they're atheist. I think Obama is one myself. I don't buy the idea that someone will find god in a church in chicago shortly before they embark on a political career.<BR/><BR/>The reason Palin scares me is not that she's Christian specifically. I'd be scared of anyone claiming to be religious (any religion) and going into politics. Based only on your posts and comments anyone can see how much comfort you take in your beliefs, how much hope, and strength they give you, and yet you somehow maintain the compassion for other people, I don't see in you the vanity and self righteousness many of the religious people I've met have.<BR/><BR/>Kinzi said: "That is the bread and butter of what made us able to create and defend our country from within. "<BR/><BR/>It seems to me the conditions under which that was necessary are no longer there. You have a standing Army ready to deal with external threats, police to deal with the internal, and a variety of none lethal options like tasers (I wish they'd let us have them in Jordan). Sure you can justify a small handgun for personal security, but rifles and machine guns should be reserved for law enforcement.<BR/><BR/>Kinzi said:"Obama has said he would take away all restrictions to abortion, up to the minute of birth. It would be tax-payer funded and doctors would be forced to perform them against their consciences."<BR/><BR/>That's really taking it too far. Any MSM source for that ? :)Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-63766300558525847832008-10-20T17:54:00.000+11:002008-10-20T17:54:00.000+11:00Hani, I would trust you as a fact-checker and a su...Hani, I would trust you as a fact-checker and a superior economist to me, but MSM I don't trust these days. :)I would vote for Clinton or Carter over Obama if the issues were fiscal only, and neither of those contenders faced economic issues like what we have today. I'm not a straight Rep voter. In fact, I think I may have voted for Obama as Senator, I can't remember if I voted in that election.<BR/><BR/>Bill Ayers IS scary, and it is obviously Sen Obama has down-played that relationship. As he has down-played others. I don't think it is slander. Saying Sen. Obama IS a terrorist may qualify as slander, but she didn't say that. What happens to people who disagree with Senator do get slandered, and are investigated to a degree even he (nor his pals)hasn't. <BR/><BR/>Palin's email account, remember, was CLEAN, and hacking like that is a crime. They didn't find the incriminating stuff the kind hoped for. Now, if someone hacked Biden, would the press handle it differently? Imagine the treasure trove there.<BR/><BR/>I am SO glad we don't have Britain's slander laws.<BR/><BR/>Gov Palin entered a beauty pageant for scholarship money, she was not a career pageant gal. Very common way for small town girls to get scholarships.We Evangelicals are allowed to wear one-piece bathing suits ;). <BR/><BR/>BTW, an 'evangelist' is someone who actively influences people to become followers of Christ. She, like me, is an "Evangelical", which means we believe in the gospels about Jesus. For me, that is a lovely thing. Like Muslims, the only press we get is when our brothers do stupid things. Do you think I represent my faith ok? Do I scare you too? :)<BR/><BR/>Palin made enemies because she cleaned up junk in Alaska. the bro-in-law tasered his kid and threatened the first fam with no consequences (did you know a random voter told a polster she didn't like O's leaving dead babies on the floor of hospitals and the pollster sent the SS after her saying she threatened the Se's life?). Monegan was fired for insubordination. Even the report is ambigious, I'll give it a poor judgement call. Yea, a guy threatens my fam, my hubby will step up. <BR/><BR/>The right to bear arms is a part of our constitution that Obama wants to severely restrict. Instead of outlawing automatic weapons (which NEED more regulation) he focuses on restricted rifles and ammo. That is the bread and butter of what made us able to create and defend our country from within. <BR/><BR/>Dr. Hareega, maybe I'll throw my vote away for you! YOU could change healthcare, yea? ;) Hey, according to the polls, this is Sen. Obama's election anyway, right?<BR/><BR/>I never even mentioned abortion. I'm ok to leave abortion legal,not my view, but most Americnas are ok with 1st term abortion...but no further. Obama has said he would take away all restrictions to abortion, up to the minute of birth. It would be tax-payer funded and doctors would be forced to perform them against their consciences. I know doctors who would leave hospitals over that, creating another health-care dilemma.<BR/><BR/>Hareega,<BR/><BR/>1)Another war? Did I miss something? <BR/><BR/>2)Experience is not a good reason to vote for Sen Obama. McCain isn't dead or dying. Dumbness is also not a good reason, it seems Biden is uniquely gifted for saying dumb things. He must've used blonde plugs. <BR/><BR/>3) LOL! Hey, did you hear what Qaddafi said about him? Better get that quote on Fight the Smears Now!!<BR/><BR/>4) Heh-heh, cute. BUT...McCain has already put forth names for his cabinet, and the short list I saw all are dems, not reps nor neocons. (ok, I haven't researched each one for hidden neo-con tendencies, remember, I am still hypothyroid!) <BR/><BR/>If Sen. Obama wins, then God bless him and I will respect the choice of America and pray I was completely and totally wrong. If he pulls off half of what he has promised. I'll come back and say YOU TOLD ME SO a 1,000 times :) <BR/><BR/>Blessings on you two. Thanks for being bright lights of hope for positive discourse in a dismal campaign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13628251.post-27447532996259279092008-10-20T02:34:00.000+11:002008-10-20T02:34:00.000+11:00Kinzi I can now vouch for the data in that graph 1...Kinzi I can now vouch for the data in that graph 100% as I took the time to plot (and interpret) the whitehouse data directly myself:<BR/><BR/>(change hxxp to http)<BR/>hxxp://blog.haniobaid.com/2008/10/19/us-national-debt-by-president/<BR/><BR/>The interpretation of course reflects my biased opinion but that data is undeniably embarrassing for republican presidential administrations of the past 30 years.Hani Obaidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02030803365502348949noreply@blogger.com