Sunday, September 24, 2006

ايلول الاسود بالالوان



تمر ذكرى ايلول الاسود ويحاول الاردنيون اسقاطها عمدا من ذاكرتهم ، لانها لن تسقط سهوا

درست الكثير من التاريخ في المدرسة و حفظت اسماء الزعماء العرب كلهم وعرفت الحروب كلها من داحس والغبراء
الى ذي قار الى ميسلون لكن عندما وصلنا الى الحديث عن ايلول الاسود جف الحبر وانقطع الارسال وشلت الالسنة حتى اشعار اخر

لم نعرف عن ايلول الاسود الا عندما كبرنا واخذنا نسمع القصص من عدة مصادر وعدة اشخاص كل منهم يروي ما يريد ويخرج بالسيناريو الذي يحبذ

ليس من العيب ان يعترف الجميع باننا اخطانا وصوبنا بنادقنا على رؤوس بعضنا البعض في الاتجاه الخاطئ لكننا ولدنا على صوت الرصاص لذا لن نكبر لنصبح ملائكة

في ايلول الاسود اخطا الكثير لكننا اخترنا ان ننسى ولن ننسى ، ونسينا اننا لن نتعلم الدرس اذا اخترنا ان ننسى ، والناس اذا لم تعلم لن تتعلم وسترى ايلول الاسود بعدة الوان تختارها هي الا الاسود

الامم العظيمة لا تخجل من التاريخ وتعلمه لاطفالها فاذا ما خجلت من التاريخ لن تقدر ان تفخر بما ستنجز في المستقبل
اتمنى الا نشطب ايلول الاسود حتى لا يصبح مستقبلنا اسودا
حريقة

29 comments:

Hamzeh N. said...

It really is a shame that such a big event in Jordan's history is never mentioned taught in history books in Jordan. I wonder if they at least teach it in university level history classes.

I sometimes feel that our country is a truely troubled nation. Like a young man with a very disturbing childhood.

Someone once told me that this book is actually banned in Jordan.

Do you see the problem with that?

Hamzeh N. said...

Sorry the link didn't work correctly. On that same page, click on "Historical and Political" and click on the last book about the making of Jordan.

Red Rose said...

yes, i discussed this matter with my friends recently,we have no information just we recieved information they want to feed it us ,selective history is not real history...

Jad said...

اظن انة لا يدرس حتى لا تفتح المواجع , بس على كل حال اغلب اهالينا عاشوا الي صار بايلول الاسود

rare said...

The problem will rise in the coming generations; we’ve been told the story by our parents & grandparents! By those who lived that history! By time, the reporting will decrease, & few people will know the story! cos it differs the one who lived it & is telling about it from the one who only heard the story! I wonder; wasn’t there - in that period - any writer who has recorded what has happened!

Shaden said...

I think if it's taught in schools and universities, there's a chance that we get over it but as long as we don't talk about it (which also means we're still fighting over who's version is the true one) we'll never succeed in transforming a horrific event into the hard lesson we were supposed to learn. Simply, history is not history if not talked about!

General speaking, it's a well known technique (or maybe something I've heard in a movie can't remember now :-P), you talk about things, you tell your stories until they are dead...this is how you get over them.

Anonymous said...

قد يفهم البني ادم ان لا يدرس ايلول الاسود في الاردن حتى ننسى الماضي ونحاول ان نتغلب على العنصرية التي اجتاحتنا الى حد مميت في ذلك الوقت, لكن المصيبة هي عندما تجد نفس الدولة التي تدعي ذلك تغذي نفس العنصرية في الجامعات الاردنية وفي الرياضة عندما تريد ان تتغلب على موجة من الافكار الحزبية سواء اليسارية او اليمينية, بحس الواحد حالو معتوه مرات

Summer said...

I lived it and i hated those days and the aftermath of the short war that stormed the country...i felt the discrimination and i hope days like these will never again be part of our history!

Anonymous said...

It's in the elite's best interest to deepen the divisions or to create them if they don't exit. Without those divisions, the elite will lose their only job, to play judge and keeper of the peace. In a country where 90% are sunni arabs, you need to come up with somthing else either geographic (north vs. south) or political (west vs. east). That british were good teachers.

Batir said...

This is a very tough subject. I have read a lot about that bad period, especially diaries of PLO leaders like Aby Iyad and Abu Dawood who wrote some extensive and deep analytical memoires. I have listened to alot of stories and the end I firmly believe that both parties committed grave mistakes. Now do not ask me what are those mistakes because I will only by judged by my ethnic background and not my point of view. It is beter that we keep this chapter closed and be able to derive conclusions on how not to allow it to happen again.

Hareega said...

HAmzeh, thank you for the link, I once found that book on ebay, you can get it keep checking ebay every week or so.

red rose, totally agree, each has a certain version

jad, il moshkileh enno lazem nakhod droos men elli saar, the future can become a replciate of the past.

rare- probably you need to refer to some biographies of yaser arafat and king hussein and some interviews with george habash and mahsoor el jazi to pick up pieces from here and there. In the future those who lived it will die and the story can be changed. We need it narrated well and documented

Hareega said...

shaden, i totally agree. History cannot be hid.

omar, some people want racism to dominate Jordan for their own purpose. Unlike many people i don't think black septmeber was a clash between jordanians and palestenians, but we tend to believ so because we don't know the whole story.

Batir, allow me to disagree my friend. You looked for answers and wanted to know and after knowing all that you reached a conslusion that this chapter should be closed. Other people should do exactly what you've done and let them on their own reach this conslucion. However trying to prevent people from knowing does not help. We cannot learn our mistakes from the past if we don't learn the past istelf.

Iman said...

Now do not ask me what are those mistakes because I will only by judged by my ethnic background and not my point of view.

Hi Batir... actually, I am very interested in your opinion regarding those mistakes ... please share!

Nas said...

yes it is a tough subject for both parties involved and as someone mentioned it's a problem when most of the history is being taught by relatives. my own relatives lived through it and were forced to participate in it like many people of the times.

the problem is if the jordanian government taught it in history books then everyone will say it's rewriting history. this is a predictable dilemma.

for palestinians the blame lies on the king and jordanians, and for jordanians the blame rests on the PA. if we want to be historically accurate in the retrospect of things, both parties are at fault for how they acted and reacted.

i think it will eventually be taught in history books but i guess there is a waiting period to endure. sadly because of that it has become a subject certain people love to use as a weapon of "debate" with the intention to insult and cause division.

Batir said...

Iman as you have asked for my opinion I will share it trying to be as clear as I can.
The PLO and Jordan signed a political agreement in 1967 to "coordinate" military activities against Israel and to give the PLO its "legitimate" right in resistance and fighting against Israel while Jordan was to provide logistical and political support and sometimes military support. What happened after karamah is that both the PLO and the army fauht bravely together but then each tried to own the victory alone. Within the PLO the radical leftist wings (hawatmeh, habash, etc..) did not only want to fight Israel but to "liberate" Jordan from monarchy and establish a new "republican" state governed by the PLO. In this case it is NATURAL for the Jordanian people and army to resist. Instead of working together against Israel both parties started a process of tareting each other and intimidating the other side. The end was a slide towards full confrontation.
It is so unfortunate that the PLO committed the same mistake in Lebanon in 1975. This has led to the racism and isolation of the maronites and their hatred to the Palestinians that was evident in three massacres in 1978 (Krantina, tal Al za'ater) and 1982 (sabra and Shatillah) and a massacre by PLO against maronites (Damour 1978). Black September in Jordan was violent, scarey, ruthless but it was a joke compared to lebanon.
What hapened in Jordan was so bad and both parties share the responsibility.

Anonymous said...

I used to always hear about the war especially that my parents and grandparents lived in weibdeh at that time, which was one of the central areas of fighting. And as a kid, I used to always think that it's their own made up story as we never "read" about it in our textbooks! And what's sad is that this will stay with our parents and grandparents, and in 20 years everyone will have forgotten it even happened!

BTW Fares, I printed 90% of your posts (excluding the R rated and the Sports posts) and gave them to Dad to read..... he's so proud of you! He loved them so much, he actually stayed up until midnight reading them, and he was telling everyone about them this morning (Dad usually falls asleep in front of the TV by 9, so this is a major achievement!)

Xena

Anonymous said...

Batir, fellow bloggers:

The last Lebanon-Israeli war explains well what really happened in Jordan in the 70s and in Lebanon during the 80s, just replace Hizbouallah with PLO.

The Jordan civil war was not about Palestinians vs. Jordanians since bothe fough on either side. It was not about those who wanted to replace the monarchy and those who were for it. That was a cover story to mobilize people. It was not a fight against communism as some presented the conflict to gain the West's support.

As in Lebanon today, the civil war in Jordan was about Arabs who wanted to fight the Israelis to liberate the lost land and Arabs who did not want to fight.

The only difference in the two cases is that Hizbouallah had a strong ally in Iran but the PLO (which was made up of Jordanians and Palestinains) did not.

Anonymous said...

Batir, fellow bloggers:

The last Lebanon-Israeli war explains well what really happened in Jordan in the 70s and in Lebanon during the 80s, just replace Hizbouallah with PLO.

The Jordan civil war was not about Palestinians vs. Jordanians since bothe fough on either side. It was not about those who wanted to replace the monarchy and those who were for it. That was a cover story to mobilize people. It was not a fight against communism as some presented the conflict to gain the West's support.

As in Lebanon today, the civil war in Jordan was about Arabs who wanted to fight the Israelis to liberate the lost land and Arabs who did not want to fight.

The only difference in the two cases is that Hizbouallah had a strong ally in Iran but the PLO (which was made up of Jordanians and Palestinains) did not.

Batir said...

Anonymous; sorry but no..your argument is not correct. Hizbullah ahs NEVER targeted his weapons against Lebanese of other sects and political orientations. the PLO has targeted Jordanians, and some PLO snipers were killing Jordanian soildiers on daily basis. The writings, speeches, and statements by major PLO factions (Habash and Hawatmeh) did declare their intention to replace the monrachy. No, please check your facts right. Do not refere to Jordanian source sif you do not believe them but refere to Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad) and Mohammad Dawoud (Abu Dawoud). Even Arafat said in a number of documented meetings that his mistake in Jordan was not having a Jordanian ally to support him in changing the system so in Lebanon he went into a strategic partnership with Kamal Junbolat.
Moreover, if you read articles and autobiography of Wasfi Tall you will be surprised to know that Wasfi was a firm believer in the need to fight Israel under a unified Jordanian-Palestinian leadership but he was as much strong and ruthless in his refusal to change the Jordanian regime.
Fighting Israel my dear would have been confined to the boundaries between Jordan and Israel but not kidnaping and killing Jordanian army personnel and citizens in the streets of Amman and Irbid. The road to Jerusalim has one direction and does not go through Amman

Anonymous said...

"Hizbullah ahs NEVER targeted his weapons against Lebanese of other sects and political orientations."

Barit, you are confusing two discussions. The root of the conflict and the what happened during the conflict. SO lets focus here please.

Of course the PLO targeted Jordanians and Palestinains and the regime targetted Jordanians and palestinains. Please lets not rewrite history to suit of the official version. The war, when it broke out, was dirty. My argument was about the root causes.

Focus please.

belive me if Hizbouallah is shot at from within, they will respond and you will see a nasty civil war. There are limits to Hizbouallah's tolerance. The only reason no one from Lebanon dares to touch Hizbouallah is because they have achived military superiority where not even the most powerful adversary can win a battle with Hizbouallah.

In Lebanon as in Jordan, the confrontation was between those wanted to liberate the West Bank and those who did not want to liberate it by means of armed struggle.

Nas said...

"In Lebanon as in Jordan, the confrontation was between those wanted to liberate the West Bank and those who did not want to liberate it by means of armed struggle."

so the feda2yeen were trying to reconquer the west bank for jordan after it lost it in 67 but ended up fighting jordanians because they didnt want it anymore?

Anonymous said...

Hi Nas, you got me there. the fedayeen just wanted to fight jordanians for fun. the fedayeen woke uo one day and said lets have ouselvs a civil war and lets forget about our mortal enemy th zionists. is this what you want to hear?

Nas said...

"is this what you want to hear?"

no not really, i have no interest for tall tales but I do have to say this second version was more entertaining than the first one. the melodramatic build up and the accusatory conclusion was perfect.

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باسم محمد فارس said...

كانت حربا مؤلمة و لكن لا بد من نسيانها

Anonymous said...

ان ايلول الاسود وسام شرف على صدر نشامى الاردن
كنا نملك الحق بقتل كل مخرب

Anonymous said...

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